Episode Transcript
Speaker0: Hey, what's going on? Welcome to The Doug Show. I'm Doug Cunnington, and today I'm going to talk about passive income and maybe what real passive income is. This is all just my opinion. I think I heard some of my friends on another podcast, running through a couple similar ideas. And as a disclaimer, it's important for me to mention that this is not financial advice, professional advice, or any kind of investing or legal advice at all. Just a couple of opinions and my observations. We'll run through this fairly quickly because I created some notes ahead of time. And I wrote them on this legal pad. I didn't use any AI for it or anything like that.
Speaker0: And uh at the end i'll give you a few updates on some things that i've been working on which it's stand-up comedy so i'll just tell you that and there's a couple, a couple things that uh have been going on with the stand-up and i'll just run through some of that, which they will be preliminary ideas and i think i'll probably do like a longer episode in the future, talking about all that stuff. It's been pretty amazing. All right, passive income. It really wasn't on my radar back in the day at all. I first got into the idea of like working online and passive income when I found Smart Passive Income,
Speaker0: the podcast, and I found it in 2013, which I think, shoot, I can't remember. I think Pat Flynn was doing the show for a few years by then, maybe three, four years, could have been longer. I think he had been blogging for, you know, five or six years by then, at least maybe longer, but anyway, smart passive income, it was, it blew my mind. I, you know, I, I wasn't thinking, Hey, I want to have a side hustle. I want to work on some entrepreneurship, leadership in any capacity. I was like, oh, this seems interesting. This is a highly ranked podcast. And then I got super obsessed. And I mean, it completely changed my life and the trajectory and the stuff that
Speaker0: I was working on professionally, what I wanted to get into. And then after a few. Maybe three or four years, I started like diverging from what Pat was working on at the time. And I actually remember thinking, you know, I really don't like what Smart Passive Income is talking about now. And as I'm a wiser person at this point and older, I realized Pat was talking about the stuff that he was interested in at the time. So he wasn't like locked in. He moved on to other shit. He wasn't building, you know, niche content websites anymore. He was doing other stuff. He was like planning conferences and creating his
Speaker0: own physical products and other shit like that. And I was just like, I'm not as interested, but my, you know, my topic area picked up in my head, like where he left off. And then sure enough, after a few years, I moved on to other stuff and like this show right now, I don't talk about the same shit as I did at the beginning. All that to say, the general idea from Smart Passive Income was, you know, set up a business that maybe is a lot of work up front. However, it can provide, you know, passive income in air quotes, once things are set up. It doesn't mean there's not maintenance. It doesn't mean you don't have to do any work at any time.
Speaker0: It was, you know, the smart part of smart passive income is like you do the work upfront and then you reap the benefits later, which I think probably is like somewhere in his intro or outro or in the tagline or whatever. So blew my mind. And overall, I was like, I want to get out of the situation where I'm trading time for money and just have like a business that's leveraged. That said, there's a lot of different people that are selling stuff. Typically, they're selling stuff. Not always. I'm not selling anything here now. I'm not doing this to launch my private coaching or any kind of other shit like that.
Speaker0: Just telling some stories. So there's a lot of different ways to go after passive income. And as a comparison, just as a way to define the terms that we potentially will use here. So like passive is never truly passive, right? Although I'm going to tell you the secret of what I consider the most passive. But active income, typically you're trading time for money. Sometimes it could be physical. I think a few months ago, I talked about if I was starting a business in 2026, what I might do. Most likely, it would be some sort of physical service that I'm providing in, somewhat affluent neighborhoods. hoods, maybe I'm doing some sort of yard maintenance.
Speaker0: Maybe I, you know, at the time that I'm recording this, it's fall, people will be needing to do some winter. Winterization for like their irrigation system where you have to blow the water out of the sprinklers so they don't freeze in the winter. Maybe you need, you know, whatever aeration in your yard. I'm just telling you stuff that I'm going to have to pay for or that I will or have already paid for in the last few weeks. Maybe there's some sort of, you know, home maintenance. Another one that I did recently, I actually did this myself. We have our gas meter, our gas piping, and that paint wears out after a few years.
Speaker0: It's in the, you know, hot sun. We're at 5,000 feet around here. So the sun and UV rays are more intense. It tends to beat up your paint in general. Things just age more. So basically, I... Um, I didn't sand, but I, um, I got a wire brush and scuffed up the outside, the sort of early rust on the piping and then painted it. And it took me, I don't know, it took like an hour total or something that said, it did have a couple like kind of specialized tools. And some people are like, I don't want to do that in my, in my house. I don't have a wire brush. I don't have a drill appropriate to do that. And I don't want to mask it off. And I don't want to spray paint and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker0: So like someone would probably pay me. I could probably charge 150 bucks to do it. Sure, people could do it cheaper. But if I was like, hey, I did, I could do a really good job and I'm going to take a couple hours to do it. And then you don't have to worry about it for another five years or whatever. So anyway, all that to say, that's an active, that's an active income source, right? I have to go do stuff. Literally it's a per job basis and it's also like trading time for money it doesn't always have to be that way there are you know sort of active income that it might actually be. Leveraged in a in a more efficient way where you don't have to trade time for
Speaker0: money but usually there's like some activity with it, and whether you're looking at like passive income or you know i'm gonna this real passive income, there's still maintenance. You still have to pay attention. Maybe it's on a monthly basis or quarterly or even annually, depending on what it is. Now, some things that people talk about as passive income, which I don't think are, probably the biggest one that people love to talk about is real estate. And I think part of the reason is, you know, real estate could be really attractive, from a like lending and mortgage, like leveraging standpoint. So, yeah.
Speaker0: Basically, what I'm saying is you could borrow against a smaller amount of money. And if the property appreciates, and maybe it's an income producing property along the way, maybe it's short-term, mid-term, long-term rental, whatever, maybe it's commercial real estate, you could earn money along the way. And if the property happens to appreciate, that's great. The thing is, real estate takes a lot of work. So there will be people that say, well, you can get property management. You can have other people basically do the work. You can live out of state, out of country, which is all true. However, that does obviously cut into your margins and potentially adds complications.
Speaker0: You can't ignore the complexity of having other people manage your properties, especially if you're not local, even if you're like states away. Some of my friends are very big into real estate and they do international travel sometimes for like months at a time. So, I mean, they have to have everything dialed in. They have to have, you know, property management, maintenance, handyman, plumbers. Whoever they might need. They need to be able to trust them to execute and do it in a, you know, efficient enough way so it doesn't eat into their margins too much. So it's pretty tough. And, you know, real estate, again, it can be really attractive when you're able to leverage like that.
Speaker0: All that said, interest rates are much higher than they were, you know, a few years ago. And that makes a massive, massive difference. It's suppressed the market. And, you know, depending, there's always deals, there's always opportunities in any geography or location. However, there are way fewer, just because like if you're not able to borrow money at such a low cost, then it's obviously going to hurt your margins and make the business model tougher. And, you know, it was very attractive when mortgage rates were so low that it pushed the market up, basically. So homes got more expensive or any real estate got more expensive because it
Speaker0: was so cheap to borrow cash back then. The other couple areas, more generally, because I really didn't, do a ton, nor I don't think it's, I don't think it's required for me to do more research, but anything that's sort of too easy, or if it's literally one of the get rich quick schemes a few weeks ago, I mentioned, and I guess I talked a little negatively about people that were still trying to do some shortcut. They're like, oh, I want to have a faceless YouTube channel. And I want to, you know, use AI to generate all the videos, even if it works for a short time. I mean, it's kind of wasting your time. This is like setting up systems and
Speaker0: processes that have a lifespan of like days or weeks or months. It's just like, if it's too easy and it's cheap to set up and, you know, any jerk can go set up the software and publish a shitload of videos, I mean, that means everyone's going to try to do it and it will get saturated. Maybe you'll get kicked out from whatever platform you're producing content on because people don't actually want to consume that. And then the other part is like, if there's a lot of people doing it, it'll just be, more and more AI slop, which generally i mean i think the consensus is pretty clear like nobody wants to watch that it's not enjoyable and kind of a waste of time,
Speaker0: So usually the smart passive incomes that you may start up. Maybe it is a SaaS or maybe it is some form of a content website where you do have to do a lot of work. We'll use the SaaS example. You do have to do a lot of work to set things up, and provide support, but maybe you don't have to put as much time in it once things are set up. There's some software that I use called Auphonic that masters and levels audio and video. And I've been using it for. Six years, seven years. I was aware of it before I started this podcast. And it does a very, very good job in a simple way to fix the audio. They've added like a little bit of functionality here and there,
Speaker0: but largely it was sort of like an old looking interface. It did a fine job. And I think the core functionality, like I don't really need any of the other like AI or smarter features that they've added in the last five years. I just needed like the leveling, a little bit of compression, and it's probably just like the smallest plug-in functionality from more sophisticated software. They just use these couple little pieces that do a really good job. And it's better than most of, like I use Descript for the audio and video editing. And it has some good functionality from a transcript standpoint, but from the audio,
Speaker0: improvement standpoint and like taking care of like leveling and audio compression, anything like that, it just does a shittier job. And I do toy with the idea of like, okay, how can I simplify my workflow? And Authonic is good enough for me to keep using, even though it's like an extra step. Although, you know, I'm torn. Sometimes I'm like, ah, is it really worth the extra few minutes here? Which adds up in aggregate. All that to say, a tool like Authonic, it works really well. I don't think they have to do a lot of maintenance. And if they didn't add any features and it still looked like it was built in,
Speaker0: you know, 2013, I wouldn't give a shit. It does the audio thing I need it to do and it's totally fine. So... Any of those smart passive income systems will have a lot of setup. They may have a long shelf life. Things always change. You never know what external factors are going to screw things up. So the passive income that I enjoy, that I think is probably the best option, is index fund investing. And this is not financial advice, just to emphasize. but from the standpoint of like what you need to do from a you, know weekly monthly quarterly annual basis extremely small, you do not need to make any sort of decision points you don't have to figure
Speaker0: out like is the market up or is it down you do have to have a long time frame a long-term mindset. And, you know, for me, when I started investing in. I was like, I don't need this money for decades, at least 10 years, maybe more. That's a long fucking time. So if you need the money in a shorter timeframe, then you need to take that into account because there's different risk factors. And if you need money, say for the down payment on a home, then, and you're going to do that within three to five years. And it's a little more volatile, right? Like you don't know in a shorter timeframe what's going on.
Speaker0: And I don't do, yeah, I have a very simple portfolio and, um, you know, Elliot and I talked about this last week in the personal finance for entrepreneurs episode. And basically it's just like the plain vanilla kind of index fund investing. And if you're unfamiliar with an index fund, I mean, the, the sort of popular ones are like an S and P 500. So those are the, this is us focused but you could find your own um in your own you know stock market or wherever you want to invest or if you want to go international whatever, so uh sp500 500 biggest companies in the stock market and then i actually go for,
Speaker0: the total stock market so instead of 500 it's all of them It's like 3,500 or 4,000. And there's a book called The Simple Path to Wealth. Which I have here by JL Collins. He's been on my other podcast a few times. And I actually, side note, the microphone that I'm speaking into now, this Warm Audio 251 tube microphone, I got it because I was helping to record the audio book version of the foreword for this book, which is a cool thing. This book has sold like a million copies and it kind of breaks down. I mean, you could maybe get a 10-page summary of like what is in here. It's a good narrative. J.L. Collins is awesome. So I recommend if you are unfamiliar with the book.
Speaker0: But generally, you can think to yourself, well, I'm smarter than everyone else. So I should be able to do better than the S&P 500. And it's true. Some people can do better. But it's very few people that can. And I mean, the thing is, you're thinking to yourself, well, why don't I do like basically the S&P 500, but I'll take out the really bad companies. Well, you don't know which ones are really bad. So again, we think we're a little smarter than we are. And there is something to be said for market efficiency. So even if you are. Smarter than other people. There's a strong chance you're not smarter than the overall market.
Speaker0: So if you do believe in efficient markets, then, I mean, there's always a little, you know, irrationality around markets. But generally, most people are like, I believe the market, like the nuts and bolts of it. A lot of people would sort of say that it kind of washes out the irrationality. The point overall is you're probably not going to be able to outsmart the market and you may be able to identify which companies are not as good or something like that. Let's say you do have a gift and you can just pick like one really good company and one really bad company. A lot of times, there's a timing aspect.
Speaker0: So even if you get the companies right, you kind of need to know when to go in and out of the market. And if you don't know when, you can miss it on either side and totally screw yourself.
Speaker0: The other thing people try to do is literally, they're like, okay, well, I'll just do S&P 500 or total stock market. And any of the brokers out there, like Vanguard or Fidelity or Schwab or whomever, they should have total stock market. They should have S&P 500. They have different varieties of index funds. And you may think, well, I think the market's overvalued now, so I'll wait to get in. Thing is, the market's been super high over the last several years. A lot of people have been saying it's overvalued for the last 10 years. If you would have gotten out of the market to wait until there's a big drop.
Speaker0: Number one, you have to have a very strong conviction to make that decision to get out and stay out of the market. And then to go back in when everyone else is freaking out is really tough to do. So anyway, very few decision points and all that to say, I think the, you know, as, as passive as you could get it, the most passive type of income is index fund investing a second place, which I don't think is the, as good of an option. Some people really like dividend investing. So they select stocks that historically pay a good rate on their dividends. Maybe I'm not sure. Cause I, again, I don't think this is, that's a good way to invest.
Speaker0: Sometimes, whatever, they'll pay like 3% or 4% or maybe like 5% or 8% or 9%. So instead of the companies reinvesting their profits back into the company. Expanding or using that money to hire more people or build more whatevers or, expand into a different market, they pay the money out to the stockholders as dividends. It does seem attractive in that you can sort of count on this dividend income to keep being paid out. The problem is on the overall growth of the stock. So if you go the dividend income route, usually those companies don't grow. So the stock price doesn't go up as much. It might appreciate over time
Speaker0: in some capacity, but usually less than just the overall stock market. And the reason why should be fairly obvious and shouldn't be too much debate. Since the companies are paying out their profits as dividends instead of reinvesting in the company with growth, then there's like less growth that happens. A lot of times these are either like bigger, very mature companies or they're more like, you know, utilities or something like that where, you know, maybe it's I'm just making up this example. I don't know if this is accurate or not, but maybe it's a utility company in a specific region of the country and they don't operate in any other regions
Speaker0: and maybe they're not able to expand in any other regions. So it's like they just they have their utility company. They can do, you know, overall system improvements, but they're not they don't have as many opportunities to like spend money to grow. They can't grow as much. All that to say, generally, if you look at the overall returns, including dividends. Typically, the dividend income type stocks don't pay as well as if you just go with a total stock market index, but not advice. So if you really love that approach, some people do like it. Some people say it's better than the alternatives and they love it and they go for it.
Speaker0: And I think there's a shitload of YouTube channels on that. All right. So that's my overall pitch. There's no real passive income. The closest you could come is this index fund investing, very few decision points. You don't have to do much maintenance. You could kind of look at it from a multi-year standpoint. Maybe you have, I'm just making it up. Let's say you're early in your career. Maybe you have like 90, 95% in equities. So that'd be like the S&P 500 or the total stock market index. And then maybe the other smaller portion is split between like a similar bond index fund and cash or something like that.
Speaker0: And maybe it's like a very small portion of cash. Maybe it's like 1% cash or, you know, whatever makes sense to you from emergency fund standpoint, or however you view risk or how much cash you want to have on hand. And then maybe, you know, if you're retired, maybe you still keep a shitload of equities. We actually have closer to maybe like 25% in a bond index fund. So it's totally up to you. There's a lot of different ways to do it. But I think from that standpoint, you probably still get some dividends that are paid out, but you could, lightly use the 4% rule, which we covered last week, but you could safely withdraw
Speaker0: about 4% of your overall investments. Not your net worth, but your investments on an annual standpoint and be able to, you know, somewhat indefinitely, like have that nest egg last for decades. So. That's that covers this portion. So I signed up for a standup comedy class about six weeks ago. I'm recording this just a week before I'm publishing this episode tomorrow. I'm doing my showcase, which is a five minute set where I'm going to do my standup act. And I. I won't go into too many details, but I've been practicing a lot. I treated this like my full-time job. I've been working on it a ton. I wake up in the middle of the night and I'm thinking of like punchlines and setups.
Speaker0: And then like most stuff, I'm like questioning if it's any good at all. And I'm thinking, I'm like, is any of this even funny? Like, what am I even doing with my life? This is so crazy. But what I want to tell you about is practicing. So the whole time is, you know, we have a class for two hours once a week. And there were six classes total. The sixth class, which is tomorrow, is the showcase. So this is like all the people in the class are running their set. People buy tickets. It's family and friends mostly, but it's like open to the public. So like other people should and potentially could show up, but it's,
Speaker0: you know, it'll be a Tuesday night at a seven o'clock at a place that usually doesn't have a big crowd, um, St. Veran's cidery. So I have had the goal in mind. So that is one of the things I'm good at. So the whole time I'm like, oh, the goal here is to be able to do the five minute set in front of people, without freaking out, without forgetting everything that you plan on saying. Hopefully it'll be funny, you know, hopefully it'll be funny. But at the end of the day, it's like, you just got to do your five minutes and then keep going, you know. It's been interesting because public speaking is scary for so many people.
Speaker0: I've worked at it over time and have done some, I guess, incremental growth as far as like the number of people that I've talked to in a crowd, I guess, audience size. And when I first started, I mean, I went to like a Toastmasters meeting and there were like six people and I was still, I mean, I was terrified. This was in 2020 before the pandemic. And I mean, that was terrifying just to talk in front of six people, really a lot of anxiety around it. And over time, I've done bigger groups. I've done several live podcast recordings or even talks in front of 50 to 70 people or so. And always a friendly crowd. I mean, most of the time, if you're presenting,
Speaker0: people don't want you to do bad. They're not rooting against you, at least not everyone. Maybe there's one or two. But generally, people want you to do a good job. Okay, so I'll get to the point. So I knew this was coming up in a few weeks. And after a few classes, the teacher said, you know, every class, we're going to now go up for like, you know, first a minute. And then the next week, it was like three minutes. And then last week, it was five minutes. And just basically, you practice your set. And she also said, if you have a chance to go to open mics, you should go to open mics and, you know, just get stage time, which, again, is terrifying.
Speaker0: When I started this, I was just like, okay, public speaking is a little scary. Stand-up is even scarier because, you know, people are judging. There's a very small amount of time. And, you know, a lot of times people are only thinking of themselves. They're not really paying attention to you. But if you're on stage and everyone's watching you, like they are watching you. They're paying attention and they're literally judging like whether that thing you said is funny or not. But um it's part of the process you just have to go up and sometimes you're gonna fuck i mean you're gonna fuck up and you're gonna bomb and things will
Speaker0: go sideways and and all that kind of thing so, the big thing that i found um at first when i did a little of the, a little of my set in class they were like oh you're actually you're pretty good on on the mic you have which makes sense since I do podcast all the time, right? So I can talk a little bit and not stumble over my words too much. And that did make me feel good. The next week, I did a little bit more and I started recording myself. So I forgot to record the first time, but I'm recording everything after that. The thing that I've noticed is I got better remembering what I was going to say.
Speaker0: So a lot of people were referencing their notes and stuff and they would like stop and read. And I was kind of doing that. I was like, well, other people are doing it. And then I realized I need to put the notes down and just struggle to remember, and do my best because in the showcase, I'm not going to be able to like reference my notes or if I do, it'll look, it'll, it'll look bad. And I want to do as good as I can, even if it's like working through the silence and struggling through it in front of people, because that is all part of the process. So fast forward, the next week that I went, I didn't use notes.
Speaker0: Decent on the mic however i was pacing i was walking back and forth, and at first i heard some people like i i think when i recorded it i was like my wife was like oh actually you know you have a good presence you're actually going back and forth a little bit that's cool, when i did the five minute set i actually paced back and forth and the teacher said all right everything was pretty good. However, you're pacing and it's not, it looks like a nervous tick. I could tell it's a nervous tick because it's like a, um, like a pendulum going back and forth. It's like a metronome, just kind of on a regular time. I was walking back and
Speaker0: forth. I was like, no shit. Yeah, you're right. She was like, turn off the sound. Just watch yourself. Like watch your body language. I was like, oh shit. Okay. So I actually went to another open mic, which was a musician open mic, which was kind of fun. I was like, maybe I could play there sometime after watching people. I was like, okay, like I think I could do this. Again, everyone's so supportive. All musicians, they gave me five minutes and I ran through my set and I didn't forget a ton of stuff. I got a couple of laughs here and there and I didn't do the massive pacing, which was good. So yesterday I did an open mic.
Speaker0: To run through my set and i have a good story from it but i'll save it for some other day when i recorded and watched the set from yesterday, i was like i knew that i shouldn't pace back and forth so i was like just stand there, hold your mic you could take a step here or there but don't do the fucking pacing, yesterday i was like playing with a cord on the mic so it It was like a standard. Shure SM57 on a cord, holding the mic, volume's good, people could hear me, all that kind of stuff. However, I'm like holding the cord, and I think I have seen people like twirl the cord a little bit. Anyway, I realized I remembered what I was supposed to say, mostly.
Speaker0: And then I wasn't walking, so I was like, okay, just be cool, just hold the mic. But I couldn't fucking hold still. So like, I guess I have to have like some nervous tick. So I have practiced a couple of times today. The way I'm practicing, which is highly effective, I've done this a couple of times in the past for longer talks, because I have my little studio here, I'll turn on the camera, I'll record myself and I'll run through something. And obviously I have the ability to not use any notes. I could stand up or sit down or whatever the appropriate format would be for the talk. But. Number one, there's a little bit of added pressure. It's weird.
Speaker0: I've been recording these practice sets just for myself. Sometimes I don't even watch them all the way, but it gives me a chance to have like a little added pressure and nervousness when I'm recording, even if no one's going to watch it. It's super interesting. So I've done that a few times and I was like, just stand there. Don't twirl the cord and do your set and then get out of there so so that's gone fine, um and my my timing's like spot on so we we have we're supposed to do five minutes, and for my i mean from my standpoint as someone who's like organized things in the past, someone who's been a speaker in different capacities like the worst thing you
Speaker0: could do in my opinion is like go over your time because it fucks up everyone else's schedule. It's just not cool. It's like disrespectful to the audience, to the organizers, to the people that might be going after you. And I am, you know, the way this works, right? So they'll give you like one minute to go, depending on like what's going on. But yeah, for our five minutes, they'll like shine a light at us at four minutes. And then I think when you hit five minutes, I think they probably go like red alert. And they're like, finish up, wrap it up. So luckily my timing is like pretty spot on. Um, one run that I did earlier today, I think it was like four minutes,
Speaker0: 45 seconds. And then the next one was like four minutes and 55 or something like that. So right, um, where I want to be. I, there's a couple of jokes where I'm like, ah, it's not working as well as I want. Should I skip that one? So we'll see how it goes. And I think there's probably going to be like 50 people there, something like that. Two weeks ago, they said there were 30 tickets sold, or maybe a week ago, they said 30 tickets were sold. I've told a couple more people, and folks invited a few more. I wouldn't be shocked. So decent little crowd, should be a lot of friendlies. And no one wants to have a bad time. Everybody wants you to do a good job.
Speaker0: And it's been a very cool get out of your comfort zone thing i've always been a huge fan of comedy um stand-up comedy since i was a little kid as soon as i could you know consume that kind of stuff sketch comedy as well but like stand-up, is pretty cool and it's been very interesting um, going through the class and then the other cool thing is like i've done i guess i've only done two open mics but, you just have to go up there and like work through the nerves, which is, it's pretty, it's like, I mean, people are scared to do public speaking. And again, stand up is like an extreme version of that.
Speaker0: And I believe being able to do it. And again, like going through it, I'm just like, well, I, you know, shockingly, I didn't, I have not screwed up in a huge way, some mistakes, but not in a huge way. And nothing bad happens. It's okay. It's totally okay. And like, we know that intellectually, but to actually like go through it and then like you come out on the other side, maybe you feel better about it. I felt, I had a decent goof up yesterday. So I feel a little worse about it today, but it was during the open mic practice. So hopefully I won't fuck it up tomorrow. All that to say, it's been super fun. I would take the next class.
Speaker0: Like if I took the 101, like the intro to stand up. So there's another class. If they offer it at the same place, I will likely take it. And there's a strong chance I'll probably keep doing some open mics. Like I think there might be like three, give or take in this town that I live in, like once a week. So three of them per week. Anyway, thanks for listening to the show. If you have any show topics or questions or anything like that, feedback at doug.show. I did make a little progress. I'll give you another mini update. I did make a little progress on migrating off WordPress. So the first step to do that was to stop managing this podcast on WordPress,
Speaker0: which was a three minute exercise. So I did that for this show and I did it for Mile High Fi, my other podcast. And the next step will be turning it off, basically. So actually the next step, sorry, next step would be like getting the website down, at least for Mile High Fi, whatever I need to still host out there, which maybe is just a landing page. There may not be much. So looking at what you really need for a podcast, it's very little. So I might be able to just set up a couple of redirects and then be good to go and just point, um, the URLs to, where I need them to go, where all the information is over on, maybe it's, um.
Speaker0: Like the about page on the podcast hosting platform. Anyway, details I'll figure out later. So making progress there. And I got good feedback from people. Thanks to the folks that reached out to let me know that they have moved off WordPress. A couple of people were like, I moved off WordPress a little bit, but like, it's still useful in these ways, which a hundred percent, there's so many uses and extendability from WordPress where, you know, maybe you need to host users. Maybe there's um it's a course website a membership website or something like that and you actually do need this extra functionality totally makes sense for
Speaker0: me i was just like i want to simplify stuff so, thanks a lot if you have any other ideas feedback at doug.show and we'll catch you on the next episode.
